General Category => John F. Kennedy 1917 - 1963 => Topic started by: Alan Dale on September 28, 2013, 10:42:16 PM
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Bill Simpich. Must read.
https://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Featured_State_Secret_Preface
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I wish that I had followed Bill Simpich's work more thoroughly, and I respect what appear to be herculean efforts on his part; having said that, this theory about Morales begs more questions than it answers. Where I do find common ground with Simpich, fwiw, is his insistence that this case can (and must?) be solved, and that it will be solved if enough Americans insist that it be resolved. When the majority of Americans fell under the spell of those intent on a successful cover-up, influenced further by the Warren Commission, and later when they ignored possible resolution of the assassination even when presented with new discovery during and after the HSCA hearings, we all reaped the Democracy we deserved up to and including the current invasion of our privacies and endless wars in our name. We now deserve only that which we demand.
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I'm a great admirer of Bill Simpich's work and look forward to seeing his e-book over the next few weeks. I think that we should extend a vote of thanks to Bill (and MFF) for providing this material free of charge, in this year of all years.
His seminal work on Oswald and his 12 handlers was one of the main things that convinced me Oswald was set up:
www.opednews.com/populum/seriespage.php?r=45 (sorry about the crap formatting)
Two things stand out from this extract of State Secret. The first is that Simpich works on the basis that Oswald was in Mexico City after all. This is something that I have never been able to get my head around. I accept that he was impersonated there but was he ever physically present? Where is the evidence to support such a claim? Hopefully, Bill Simpich can lay out a convincing case one way or the other.
The other is this quote:
Others have argued to me that Angleton and covert action chief David Phillips were part of a plan to kill Kennedy, but my present perspective is that both of them - like Goodpasture and operations chief Richard Helms, who I believe were in on the molehunt - were entrapped by the impersonation.
Wow! If true, this would reset many of my carefully assembled understandings and beliefs, about Angleton in particular. Was he just another patsy after all? The mind boggles.
I'm really looking forward to this e-book and I hope we can discuss it all here.
[Edit - had to repost five times as the second half kept disappearing on posting. In the end I had to shorten the text in the quote box.]
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^ Not all of us have been having the same trouble posting and I'm sorry to say that I'd only be guessing at this stage but we've seen updates to browsers cause temporary glitches due to compatiblility with the server.
echelon, if you haven't taken in Alan's interview with Bill Simpich try here:
http://www.jfkessentials.com/forum/index.php?topic=6.0
Use the link to the Souncloud file and see if you can play it. If not, there is a button to switch to the old version of Soundcloud, try that. If the problem persists try a different browser, for example, if you use Firefox then try Internet Explorer, AOL etc. Do the browser switch to see if you get different results posting here too. We have just had to wait these glitches out in the past. Feedback is appreciated, thanks. ;)
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Chapter 1: The Double Dangle
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter1
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I'm wondering if anyone knows whether or not Bill Simpich refers to EH Cookridge's material on Air Force Intelligence? I can't figure out how to do an efficient word search of Bill's excellent research. Thanks in advance for any input.
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I'm wondering if anyone knows whether or not Bill Simpich refers to EH Cookridge's material on Air Force Intelligence? I can't figure out how to do an efficient word search of Bill's excellent research. Thanks in advance for any input.
Hi Leslie,
Cookridge/Spiro has not figured in Bill's work.
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Tks Alan. I'll pull together what I see that might be relevant to his Webster research and post it soon. It's just a theory, but it might shed a degree of light or pry open a door at least.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfAO6dY83G4
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Simpich notes:
It is also important to look at the defection in 1959 of another defector, Robert Webster. Webster, a Navy veteran, defected two weeks before Oswald - and returned to the US two weeks before Oswald. Whether Oswald and Webster knew it or not, US intelligence used both men as "dangles" to learn more about Soviet military plans and to try to unearth enemy spies known as moles.
which is followed by a key paragraph sourced to Armstrong Harvey and Lee:
One story illustrates how strong this resemblance was between Oswald and Webster. Robert Webster met Oswalds future wife Marina Prusakova at the American Exhibition held in Moscow during the summer of 1959. They saw each other again in 1960. Curiously, Marina spoke English to Webster, while she only spoke Russian when she came to the United States with Oswald.[ 2 ] On one occasion, Marina even confused Webster with Oswald. Webster and Oswald were used to loosen Soviet tongues, and they may have never realized it.
When we look at note 2 it's to a four-paragraph section of Harvey and Lee which I see as vital, so I append that here:
John Armstrong, HARVEY & LEE, page 267 excerpt 3rd 1959 American defector
NOTE: In a 1997 interview Robert Webster told JFK researcher and author Dick Russell that he met Marina Prusakova in Moscow in the summer of 1959 and spoke with her in English. Webster said that Marina spoke English well, but with a heavy accent.
A year after Webster was sent to Leningrad by the Soviet Government, 400 miles from Moscow, he met Marina again shortly after he applied for an exit visa so that he could return to the US.
Marinas friend in Dallas, Katya Ford, said that when she asked Marina why Oswald went to Russia, Marina told her that he worked for the Rand Corporation and helped set up the American exhibit at the World Trade Exposition in Moscow. Marina had momentarily confused Harvey Oswald with Robert Webster, the 1st US defector, whom she met in Moscow (1959) and again in Leningrad (1960).
It is not a coincidence that both Webster and Oswald defected a few months apart in 1959, both tried to defect on a Saturday, both possessed sensitive information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the Spring of 1962. These US defectors, acting in perfect harmony, were both working for the CIA.
I don't see there's any question Oswald was part of a false defector program. His last call Saturday November 23 was to John Hurt of Raleigh North Carolina which Victor Marchetti says was to a clean contact to an ONI handler.
I see Simpich citing Norman Mailer quipping Oswald was a spy in his own mind and I immediately think of Antonio Veciana who reported to Gaeton Fonzi in The Last Investigation that Oswald was with David Atlee Phillips using the alias Maurice Bishop in Dallas in the summer of 1963.
Bill Bright of CIA shoehorns disinfo into the 5/12/60 report of John Fain.
The obvious similarity of Webster and Oswald--and the amazing coincidence that they both met Marina--and she was faking not being able to speak English to Lee and just happened to be the niece of an intelligence officer.
Also of note the cancel of the FLASH 10/9/63 which is huge in John Newman Oswald and the CIA.
To Bannister Oswald was one of ours--I have here Phil Melanson Spy Saga in the to-read stack--bottom line, it's disingenuous to say the most important figure of US intelligence of the Twentieth Century was a spy in his own mind.
It's the kind of denial Bugliosi presents when he says if Oswald didn't kill Kennedy, Kennedy didn't die.
A curious similarity in technology transfer: KGB came to Webster to get details of the plastic spray gun;
CIA came to Terry Reed to have him apply his metallurgical and computer-numeric-controlled expertise to bootleg lower receivers to transform AR-15s into fully-automatic M-16s for Nicaragua in a book where Clinton and North argue over cocaine profits in a bunker.
We may look at George Michael Evica A Certain Arrogance to see Lee Oswald enrolled at Albert Schweitzer College in Switzerland which was a portal for professionals so hidden as to take weeks for intelligence to find it, during which Oswald was already in Moscow talking to the Priscilla Johnson who can be counted on to "write the articles we want".
For a valuable insight into a true CIA journalist asset, consider the following uttered by Priscilla Johnson McMillan in 2007:
Oswald was a believing Marxist, and his motive was to strike the deadliest blow he could imagine at capitalism in the United States.
http://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2007/06/lho.html (http://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2007/06/lho.html)
Oswald was used by intelligence from his earliest military service--Nagell said Oswald trained at Nags Head in 1957 (ONI).
In no way was Oswald a spy in his own mind.
We do have a number of different agencies and divisions of agencies operating with differing agenda.
Harvey is of note with Sigint/Staff D duties and later ZR RIFLE (Assassinations).
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^ Please note that some punctuation marks have been omitted or replaced by moderator to facilitate the posting of Phil's commentary.
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Chapter 2: Three Counterintelligence Teams Watched Oswald
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter2
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Comment and commentary by Bill Simpich and Leslie Sharp from jfkfacts.org:
Bill Simpich
October 10, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Tapping on cell phone here. I think David Morales or someone with comparable abilities staged the impersonation of Oswald and the Cuban consulate officer Silvia Duran, knowing it would be picked up by the wiretap system in Mexico City, knowing it would be noticed because Duran was a known quantity, knowing it would result in an investigation by Angleton s people and the Mexico City station, knowing that they would start a mole hunt b/c that was how Angleton did things. Once this mole hunt about Oswald was memorialized in memos it was prime blackmail material against the officers who created the two different and contradictory memos of oct 10, 1963, fifty years ago today.
State Secret does not address this in detail till chapter five, but you can get a look at an earlier version of that chapter at oped news. Type into your browser: The twelve who built the Oswald legend: part 10.
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leslie sharp
October 11, 2013 at 1:16 am
Bill Simpich: I am pursuing the history of Air Force Intelligence, Air Force Security Service relating to the NSA and Major General John B. Ackerman. Is it possible that an operation initiated in the early 1950 s morphed into one that recruited R. Webster later in the decade?
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Bill Simpich
October 13, 2013 at 3:56 pm
In response to Leslie, I think that Air Force intelligence would have been interested in all Americans who went to the Soviet Union in that era in a general sense, and certainly someone like Webster who could be debriefed after his return with a report on Soviet capabilities. Webster was described as a Project and Guide 223, so there was a bigger operation but I doubt Webster was aware of it. I see that Ackerman was a deputy director of the NSA, you are working with some great material.
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Alan, I'm anxious to pursue this. My hesitation has been that I haven't studied Bill Simpich's work thoroughly. However, I'll launch into my hypothesis over the weekend with the caveat that I may step on toes at the very least, or worse, I may step out onto that precarious limb of ridicule.
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Alan, I'm anxious to pursue this. My hesitation has been that I haven't studied Bill Simpich's work thoroughly. However, I'll launch into my hypothesis over the weekend with the caveat that I may step on toes at the very least, or worse, I may step out onto that precarious limb of ridicule.
^ Looking forward to anything you'd be interested in sharing, Leslie. This forum is intended to encourage involvement and interaction. We need the input of those who have studied these complexities.
I have had an advance look at upcoming materials from Bill. The achievements of Professor Scott, Dr. John Newman, Jeff Morley, Bill Simpich and a very few others on Oswald in Mexico City and elsewhere is an ongoing, dynamic process. It's up to each of us to choose the extent to which we are willing and able to contribute to that process.
I'm certainly in favor of trying.
Thank you for participating.
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This is one of the best, most interesting things I`ve read in a long time. I love Simpich`s work. I can`t wait for the next chapters. Nice of him to provide this free of charge.
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This line from Kurt Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle becoming the song of that name by Ambrosia describes Bill Simpich's delicious second chapter
W.C. Fields could juggle thirteen cigar boxes at once and in CI the best juggler ascended, it seems
It is impossible to accept that Oswald's marriage and visa-seeking was self-initiated--she at one point confused him with Robert Webster
Grasping the links: Simpich has given us CI for the Complete Idiot--and it is much appreciated
Angleton over CI-SIG chief Birch O'Neal over molehunter Ann Egeter
CIA Soviet Russia Division: Bill Bright with Stephen Roll (SR/CI/RED)
Anita and Will Potocki, associates of Bill Harvey (CI/OG/SS: counterintelligence operations group security staff--just thinking of the line in Enemy of the State where the sigint guy asks the visitor, "Are you guys signals or operations?" "Operations." "I can tell by the haircuts.")
Harvey as head of CI before Angleton, Staff D signint from 1959, ZR/RIFLE: executive action
Harvey Task Force W: 200 officers running JMWAVE, 500 CIA officers and 4000 Cuban agents: Paramilitary (PM), Foreign Intelligence (FI), Covert Action (CA)
Los Tres Amigos: Johnny Roselli, Bill Harvey, Rip Robertson
David Morales--Army CI 5 years, CIA "Stanley Zamka", founder of Operation 40: 150 officers, 100 backup, 100 rookies, worked with Angleton
With Phillips in Mexico City, on a badness plateau with Shackley (Harvey acolyte) above Brad Ayers, right hand man Tony Sforza, hitman "Henry Sloman"
Oswald file went to Egeter to Potocki to Bright
Implication FBI agent John Fain may have obtained Oswald's service as informant by threatening prosecution for lying to a federal agent, specifically denying he had ever tried to defect
Working at Jaggers, Chiles, Stovall, Oswald would (posthumously) beg the question, how does a defector gain access to classified footage
So the groundwork is laid for a net of security dereliction leading to a general stonewall by intelligence agencies
Swimming through this sea of various fishes we pick up a low-frequency guiding tone
Angleton, Harvey, Morales will swim their intricate dance and when the swarm disperses the water is red
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbEf5PIehes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbEf5PIehes)
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Preface
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Featured_State_Secret_Preface
Chapter 1: The Double Dangle
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter1
Chapter 2: Three Counterintelligence Teams Watched Oswald
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter2
Chapter 3: The Cuban Compound in Mexico City Was Ground Zero
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter3
Please invest the necessary time.
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Was it not Oswald's own mother who said, " that was not my son" ?
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This is my response to a challenge by a commenter at jfkfacts.org. on the thread relating to William King Harvey titled "Phoney 201 flle ...."
Q. What does Gehlen s operation being "riddled by East German agents" have to do with WK Harvey?
A. Anyone in serious pursuit of the possibility of rogue elements, or simply fallible, well-meaning agents of the CIA is turning over every stone.
Why would the CIA be throwing money and man hours at Gehlen if he was such a buffoon? For instance, some of Wisner s ten-slash-two directive "unvouchered funds" ended up underwriting Gehlen's hitherto unfunded operations. Why would Stuart Symington direct Ackerman to work closely with Gehlen just as the Air Force was establishing its own intelligence operation? Why risk that progress by aligning with a fool if you consider Gehlen as such? Could Robert Webster and LHO have been caught up in an upgraded version of one of those operations? Why would US private interests (including Clark Clifford, a director of National Bank of Washington at the time, which was the foundation bank for the future BCCI in the US); CD Jackson of the Luce Orgnaization; C. Rodney Smith of American Airlines etc.) choose to help fund RFE - which relied on the "great transmitter," the brainchild of Wisner and Gehlen when the funds were either drying up or being challenged behind the scenes? Why would the CIA assign as liaison between Gehlen and Dulles/Wisner, a man like James H. Critchfield who would be promoted to CIA station chief in the Near East after Gehlen's Organization was successfully incorporated into NATO; and later serve as liaison between the oil industry and the CIA? Why waste talent like Critchfield on Gehlen if his operations were meaningless as you suggest?
As mentioned on the North Dakota State U site, regarding Critchfield: " .... with the invasion of southern France by Allied forces, Critchfield was by then in command of a battalion of the 141st regiment of the 36th Infantry Division (Texas National Guard)." I would contend that during that intense experience, Mr. Critchfield established a rapport with men in and from Texas that extended thru the Cold War and up until his death early this decade.
And from that potentially significant connection (particularly as it may relate to Jack Crichton of Empire Trust), I would insist that there is merit in considering rogue elements of the CIA who had semi-private allegiances including with the oil industry and others in the industrial complex, a link between Critchfield (who built an engineering firm under the umbrella of Honeywell (another Lichtenstein protected US enterprise) and the Gehlen Org, in relation to the assassination. I am not the first to consider a Gehlen influence; in fact, I'm on the shoulders of giants. All I'm doing is a bit of a revisit.
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Leslie Howard cited by Mark Lane in Last Word, her suspicious death helped make it personal for him.
Surely these attempts at rapprochement were bugged by CIA; Howard's persistence made her an annoyance, a target.
A line in Chapter 3 pops
“Mr. Castro is a very bold and imaginative person who is capable of doing anything.”
How about smelling CIA in the JFK Assassination in his 12,000 word speech the following day (see attachment)
Regarding jfkfacts, there's a tool hiding behind "photon" who is a low-budget hemorrhoid, so I dismiss the infrafriction in that venue
Gehlen is enormously important. So important he was given immunity and welcomed into the US intelligence apparatus immediately and unconditionally, fully-funded, complete in his organization, and admitted to by CIA
Here's a review of Critchfield's 2003 work http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=11244 (http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=11244)
Here's the Agency's 2007 FOIA release http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/1705143/CIA%20AND%20THE%20ORIGINS%20OF%20THE%20BND,%201949-56%20%20%20VOL.%201_0001.pdf (http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/1705143/CIA%20AND%20THE%20ORIGINS%20OF%20THE%20BND,%201949-56%20%20%20VOL.%201_0001.pdf) which although suspicious looking does paste and produce in a browser window if the site software fails to hyperlink
In Simpich in June Angleton is telling Hoover Kostikov is not sabotage and assassination; reversed at assassination time--can't alert Hoover early; save the trip wire.
Just as Allen Dulles in 1930 is poohpoohing the threat of Hitler, would secure loans for Germany, then supposedly help in the Valkyrie plot, but aid in the escape of Hitler, and scoop up Gehlen, Barbie, and others
How can we not see Dave Morales and his Comandos Mambises as a parallel to the team put into Dealey and extracted
If Walkie Talkie Man was part of the '76 Letelier bombing, and Helms used McCord on FPCC and Watergate, and Weitzman saw Barker as a Secret Service Agent, the dual use, or plausible denial is the rule not the exception
Simpich is able to say in a page what Waldron-Hartmann can't get said in a couple of thousand
And for that succinctness we are thankful
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Reading through it, he has a link to what looks like Robert Webster's CIA debriefing report, or something very much like it.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=55065 (http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=55065)
Webster learned during his stay that "Soviet plastics technologies on a commercial and application basis are about ten years behind those of the US."
Yep, that's pretty much SOP for the government when a re-defector returns home. Grill them for every bit of information you can get. So where's Oswald's report? Has anyone ever asked Marina if she was debriefed? The CIA would definitely be interested in questioning a Soviet citizen.
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TLR
You might mine this Joan Mellon article for valuable indications Oswald was debriefed
http://www.joanmellen.com/oswald.html (http://www.joanmellen.com/oswald.html)
Here is an excerpt
Further corroboration that the CIA Soviet Russia Division, Soviet Realities, SR6, in the person of Eleanor Reed, debriefed false defectors is contained in a document that I have just discovered that that CIA released “as sanitized” in 1998. The document resides in Robert Webster’s file, is dated 17 August 1962, and is telling for several reasons; the cases of Oswald and Webster are so similar that we can await, with reasonable expectation, that a parallel document of Oswald’s debriefing by Reed (with, perhaps, her frequent debriefing partner, Rudy (“Valentino”) Balaban, may well surface. This document demonstrates beyond doubt that Reed (“Anderson”) was an SR6 debriefer. I copy it here in full:
TO: Eleanor Reed
FROM: [03] IR/CR
SUBJECT: Appraisal of Interrogation
1. The eagerness of the subject to help and his repeated expressions of regret for having neglected opportunities for more detailed observations left me with mixed reactions. In my opinion this attitude detracted from his otherwise seemingly genuine manner and at least for me it “watered down” his attempt to generate a repentant impression.
2. The subject readily answered questions and was extremely friendly during both periods of interrogation. Plottings and data, however, by the subject on a blank town plan left him for homework later proved disoriented. [sic]. The subject discovered his error during our second meeting and volunteered corrections.
3. As far as substantive intelligence gained is concerned, the interrogation provided data on a plant previously described as possibly in the electronics business as a probable radar storage and repair area. A hitherto unknown naval installation was also identified and located in an area other than the one previously assumed.
4. It can be said that if the subject’s bona fides are definitely established, positive intelligence gathered from him is of real value.
[03]
GROUP 1
Excluded from automatic downgrading and declassification.
Sometimes Soviet Russia Counter Intelligence was called in at the briefings. So the mystery of Oswald in the Soviet Union unravels. The above trajectory offers further evidence that Oswald was a creature of the CIA, worked for the CIA, and, quite understandably, was debriefed by them upon his return.
Additional evidence that CIA debriefed Oswald after his return from the Soviet Union resides in the unredacted version CIA document 435-173A, dated 25 November 1963, by the same Thomas B. Casasin.
This document is familiar because we have long had a redacted version of Casasin’s 25 November 1963 memo to Walter P. Haltigan, whom Casasin subsequently revealed to be one “Jim Flint.” Flint was part of SR9, the operations part of the Soviet Division and was Casasin’s “normal contact” in Paris where Casasin arrived in September 1962.
In this memo, Casasin writes that “Oswald’s unusual behavior in the USSR” made him look “odd,” leading Casasin not to use him in operations in the REDWOOD target area. REDWOOD was an action indicator for the SE Division. (SED was a CIA geographic designator for the Soviet Union and the Soviet Bloc countries of Eastern Europe). It seems now a case of one hand not knowing what the other was doing, a not infrequent CIA situation.
In that unredacted version of Thomas B. Casasin’s memo to Walter P. Haltigan, Casasin writes: “as chief of the 6 Branch I had discussed – sometime in Summer 1960 (he later corrected that date to “1962”) with the then Chief and Deputy Chief of the 6 Research Section the laying on of interview(s) [with Oswald] through KUJUMP [the operations division] or other suitable channels.” KUJUMP had a contacts division for debriefing persons. KUJUMP was synonymous with 00 (Contacts Division).
Casasin closes his addendum to the memo with this line, indicating that was not aware of Angleton’s program: “It was partly out of curiosity to learn if Oswald’s wife would actually accompany him to our country, partly out of interest in Oswald’s own experiences in the USSR, that we showed operational intelligence interest in the Harvey story.” Casasin was looking for links between Soviet women marrying foreigners and the KGB. Casasin also refers in his 25 November 1963 memo to a program called AEOCEAN 3, then run out of SR10, and referring to Oswald in particular: this was the legal travelers program, i. e. the intelligence use of legal travelers to the Soviet Union. It seems apparent that Casasin, a pseudonym, was not in the loop, and is struggling to make sense of Oswald and his defection.
In his HSCA interview, while speculating, without any real evidence, that Oswald might have been a “lay-low Soviet operative,” Casasin fills in some gaps in our knowledge about what Oswald was doing in the Soviet Union. He reveals that “there were some type of special design plants in Minsk which were of interest to the CIA.” Casasin adds that CIA “had some type of encyclopedic information at the agency on the radio factory in Minsk where Oswald worked.” He is talking about a component of CIA called the “Industrial Registry.” Casasin was instructed by CIA not to reveal to HSCA information about a tourist guide he ran in the Soviet Union under a program called REDSKIN, and who, like Oswald, married a Soviet woman.
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Chapter 4 is up now. This is very well done. I guess I never realized that Operation 40 was a secret cell within the already-secret JM/WAVE, training Cubans to become the future secret police of a post-Castro Cuba. This may very well be where the plot against JFK originated.
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter4 (http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter4)
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Preface
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Featured_State_Secret_Preface
Chapter 1: The Double Dangle
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter1
Chapter 2: Three Counterintelligence Teams Watched Oswald
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter2
Chapter 3: The Cuban Compound in Mexico City Was Ground Zero
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter3
Chapter 4: Mexico City Intrigue -- The World of Surveillance
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter4
Please invest the necessary time.
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Two things stand out from this extract of State Secret. The first is that Simpich works on the basis that Oswald was in Mexico City after all. This is something that I have never been able to get my head around. I accept that he was impersonated there but was he ever physically present? Where is the evidence to support such a claim? Hopefully, Bill Simpich can lay out a convincing case one way or the other.
Well, actually, Bill is agnostic on the matter ...
Most people agree that a man calling himself Oswald visited Mexico City for a few days between the 27th of September and the 2nd of October. Most people agree that he went back and forth on the 27th between the Cuban consulate and the Soviet consulate - trying to get a visa to visit both countries and failing at both - with one last stab at the Soviet consulate on the 28th.
At the Cuban consulate, consul Eusebio Azcue insisted that the man he met was not Oswald. The other consul, Alfredo Mirabel, was equally insistent that the man was Oswald. This kind of sharp division makes it hard to determine if Oswald ever came to Mexico City. Jack Whitten, who was the CIA’s original investigator of the assassination, wrote in the days after 11/22 that “no source then at our disposal had ever actually seen Lee Oswald while he was in Mexico". That is remarkable, as the CIA’s sources inside the Cuban compound later told House Select Committee on Assassinations staffer Ed Lopez that the man who visited them was not Oswald. For ease in writing this narrative, I will refer to the man at the center of this Mexico City narrative as Oswald, but I remain an agnostic as to whether he visited the Cuban consulate on the 27th, or even came to Mexico City. I’m convinced that he didn’t come to the Cuban consulate on the 28th.
It's difficult to get one's head around this case given all the imponderables lurking behind every corner. I have seen no hard evidence from anybody that Oswald himself was in Mexico and so - for the time being - I am taking the position that he wasn't. As Bill Simpich points out, it probably doesn't matter.
Whether Oswald was physically there or not, he was impersonated there. This much I can accept. Of course, it could be coincidence that he was being impersonated - as part of a mole-hunt operation, say - just seven weeks before the assassination, and that this impersonation had nothing to do with the assassination set up. But I find that very difficult to accept. Therefore, my hypothesis remains that Oswald was not in Mexico but he was impersonated there as part of the Phase 1 plan to blame the assassination on the Cubans (and set off a conflagration, perhaps).
Now, therefore ... surely if we find out who was behind the Mexico City impersonation then we will find out who was behind the assassination. Simples.
Yes, no?
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Hi echelon. I find this topic difficult to understand myself. In the mock trial, produced in 1986, I believe, HSCA researcher, Edwin Lopez states that he didn`t believe Lee Harvey Oswald visited the Cuban and Russian consulates. Later in his testimony, Lopez does tell counselor Vincent Bugliosi that he believes Oswald visited Mexico City. John Newman in his book Oswald and the CIA, his wording on whether or not Oswald was in Mexico City visiting the 2 consulates is "apparently he visited". So I`m assuming that the issue is not so very important to the various researchers on this topic. All that matters is that Oswald was impersonated. I`m beginning to think that Oswald wasn`t there. The Warren Commission admits that Oswald was there. Why not cough up a photo? It would be completely in order. This is very complicated indeed.
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I've actually read the first three chapters of this book but I need to go back to Bill Simpich's opening lines with a number of questions.
In the following quotes from the Preface, I've reordered Bill's sentences slightly to make my points.
This book is about the counterintelligence activity behind the JFK story and its role in the death of President Kennedy. It examines how the existence of tapes of a man in Mexico City, identifying himself as Oswald, were discovered before the Kennedy assassination and hidden after the assassination. On November 23, 1963, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover wrote President Lyndon Johnson and the Secret Service chief, telling both of them that the caller was not Lee Harvey Oswald. These tapes showed that the supposed “lone gunman” had been impersonated just weeks before the killing of JFK, tying him to Cuban and Soviet employees in a manner that would cause great consternation in the halls of power on November 22.
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Within days of the assassination, the agencies were flooded with phony evidence tying Oswald to a Soviet assassination team and Red Cuban plots. Lyndon Johnson and Robert Kennedy probably knew little about the tapes, but acquiesced to the cover-up rather than run the risk of a war on Cuba which might include the USSR. This story explains why LBJ was so insistent that Chief Justice Earl Warren chair the investigating commission and prevent the possibility of "40 million dead Americans", and why the Warren Commission was denied access to the investigators, witnesses and documents needed to solve the case.
I am familiar with the notion of the Phase 1/Phase 2 conspiracy framework as enunciated originally by, I believe, Peter Dale Scott. The Phase 2 conspiracy was to all intents and purposes a cover-up involving a stellar cast of characters, most of whom (but not all, I suspect) had nothing to do with the Phase 1 assassination planning and execution. Accepting that there were two separate conspiracies, I can also accept that one plausible explanation for the Phase 2 cover up was to avoid the possibility of linking Cuba and/or the Soviets to the assassination, which would probably have initiated World War 3 (as above).
The bit I don't get is what follows:
The other aspect of this book is about how the importance of the Mexico City tapes collided with the national security imperative of hiding American abilities in the field of wiretapping. These tapes were created by wiretapping the Soviet consulate. World leaders prize wiretapping because it enables them to find out the true motives of their friends and adversaries. It's no wonder that Edward Snowden was castigated for daring to reveal the nature of these jewels. Back in 1963, wiretapping was the domain of the CIA's Staff D, the super-secret division that did the legwork for much of the signals intelligence or 'sigint' that was provided to the National Security Agency.
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The hiding of the tapes paralyzed any effort to conduct an honest investigation into what happened.
(Emphasis added).
Why would the fact that the Americans were wiretapping both the Cuban and Soviet consulates have needed to be covered up? From whom? Surely not from the Cubans nor the Soviets as they were all doing the same to each other. It was (and remains) de rigeur in the intelligence world, hyper-sensitive reactions to Snowden's revelations notwithstanding.
Who else would have cared about the wiretapping, thus providing an additional impetus to cover up the activities in Mexico City, and as a consequence hobbling the investigation? Surely not the American public. Who else mattered in 1963?
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Echelon, the American elite likes to think they're fooling people (specifically the American public and our allies abroad). They worry a lot about keeping up a good appearance. The "secret bombing" of Cambodia, for example. It certainly wasn't a secret to the Cambodians, or the Russians and Chinese.
It was all about keeping the public and Western allies in the dark so they can go on believing in the virginal purity of America as the land of the free and the home of clean underwear and neatly-mowed lawns.
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The secret monitoring of the populus is not unique to the latter half of this last century through 2013, and was certainly in play in the US during the Cold War. We simply did not have the balance imposed by the internet and the Assanges and Snowdens willing to expose the internal spy operations.
If Cold Warriors were listening in on Eastern Europeans and Russians, why wouldn't they have been listening in on US Citizens? For instance, The Pond organization positioned their radar equipment on both coasts of the US. The post in Reseda, CA was clearly dependent on the co-operation of the Chandler family (Los Angeles Times) who were significant investors in global enterprises, Dresser Industries, Pan American Airways, etc.
My point being: we Americans, interested in reclaiming (or more importantly redefining) democracy must now consider that the assassination of President Kennedy was a step in an obstructive direction; we should take the focus off of the man, John Kennedy RIP, and direct it toward understanding the attack on democracy worldwide on November 22, 1963.
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Preface
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Featured_State_Secret_Preface
Chapter 1: The Double Dangle
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter1
Chapter 2: Three Counterintelligence Teams Watched Oswald
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter2
Chapter 3: The Cuban Compound in Mexico City Was Ground Zero
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter3
Chapter 4: Mexico City Intrigue – The World of Surveillance
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter4
Chapter 5: The Mexico City Solution
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter5
Please invest the necessary time.
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If you can correct Oswald's spelling and grammar, it's very insightful to read his writings. He appears to have been a liberal anti-Communist.
It could have been written by Oswald or by JFK:
“A symbol of the American way, our liberal concession is the existence in our midst of a minority group whose influence and membership is very limited and whose dangerous tendencies are sufficiently controlled by special government agents.
The communist party U.S.A. bears little resemblance to their Russian counterparts, but by allowing them to operate and even supporting their right to speak, we maintain a tremendous sign of our strength and liberalism; harassment of their party newspaper, their leaders, and advocates is treachery to our basic principles of freedom of speech and press.
Their views no matter how misguided, no matter how much the Russians take advantage of them, must be allowed to be aired. After all, communist U.S.A. have existed for 40 years and they are still a pitiful group of radical. (sic).
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=1133&relPageId=466 (http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=1133&relPageId=466)
"...because our two countries have too much to offer each other than to be tearing at each other's throats in an endless Cold War."
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Preface
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Featured_State_Secret_Preface
Chapter 1: The Double Dangle
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter1
Chapter 2: Three Counterintelligence Teams Watched Oswald
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter2
Chapter 3: The Cuban Compound in Mexico City Was Ground Zero
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter3
Chapter 4: Mexico City Intrigue – The World of Surveillance
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter4
Chapter 5: The Mexico City Solution
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter5
Chapter 6: The Set-up and the Cover-up
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/State_Secret_Chapter6
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Oh, this is good stuff from Bill Simpich. For the first time ever I'm starting to get a handle on the Mexico City smoke and mirrors show. And I do believe that if we understand MC, we understand the assassination.
Once again Bill, if you're watching, thanks so much for all your hard work and for making this available free gratis and at no cost into the bargain.
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Thanks, Echelon. The book is completed. Its focus is about the impersonation of Oswald in Mexico City. This final chapter covers my thoughts on who framed Oswald and killed the President. Rather than sell the book, I'm asking for donations to Mary Ferrell. Leads for good radio shows also appreciated - I wrote it, now I have to let people know it's there.
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Featured_State_Secret_Conclusion
The concluding chapter of Bill Simpich's new book State Secret: Wiretapping in Mexico City, Double Agents, and the Framing of Lee Oswald is now available for reading online here at MFF.
In the final chapter, subtitled Only Justice Will Stop a Curse, State Secret takes a hard look at suspects and "persons of interest" in the assassination, as opposed to the cover-up. The discussion of the role of the Secret Service, the near-pristine "magic bullet" found by a stretcher at the hospital, and JFK's autopsy illustrates some ways to think about the distinction between assassination planners and cover-up actors. The chapter also suggests that the NSA's ability in 1963 to listen to foreign leaders, access nuclear weapons codes, and obtain details on presidential protection were the crown jewels of US intelligence. These state secrets had to be protected from public view.
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Bill's organizational chart for use in reading, and understanding, State Secret.
Here's a direct link which includes Bill's corresponding links to MFF:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=59780f4cd924ae68ccab6e06e43e65d7&showtopic=20479&page=2
Headquarters CI Staff and Staff D:
"Division D ranked with Jim Angleton's Counterintelligence/Counterespionage Staff as the most secret of the Agency's Clandestine Services." - Bayard Stockton, Flawed Patriot, p. 111.
James Angleton Bill Harvey Frank Belsito C/FI (or Colby?)
(Martin O. Hibbert) C/CI C, FI/D 59-61
Justin O'Donnell
Staff D, case officer for QJ/WIN, got out of ZR/RIFLE
Anita Potocki
FI/D 61
Ann Goodpasture
FI/D
http://www.spartacus...goodpasture.jpg
Paul Levister
FI/D Ops
James Hunt John Mertz (Mertz) (Mertz)
DC/CI 62 Executive Officer C/CI/PROJECT aka ZRCHEST 59-63
Chief, CI Staff 62 (HTLINGUAL)
Sp. Asst, DCI 65
James P. O'Connor
C/TSD/LSS 62
(Miler) (David Christ)
"on top" of TSS/FI/D 59-63
HTLINGUAL
Birch O'Neal = Sheffield Edwards Paul Gaynor Ray Rocca T. K. (Kim) Chalmers Ryan
CI/SIG 55 C/OS C/SRS CIRA 63-64 Chief, CI Staff, SPG 60
C/CI/SIG 63 Special Projects Group Will Potocki Jane Roman
James McCord DD/P/SR 59 CI/LS 59-63
SRS CIOPS 63 64
Domestic Operations Division
Tracy Barnes - formed in 1962 (Russell, p. 473)
Howard Hunt (Chief, DOD, R&P (is that covert action?) - Feb. 63
Paul Hartman SPG 63
R&A 63-64
CI Staff 64
CI Staff 64
N. Scott Miler M. D. Stevens
deputy CI-SIG 55 SRS analyst
CI-SIG 66
E. Mendoza
SRS analyst
Ann Egerter
CI-SIG Analyst
59-63
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Soviet Union section
C/SR David Murphy 1963
C/SR/CI Pete Bagley 62- (Angleton's man) Russ Langelle C/SR/OS/WH 63
communications officer in Moscow
& Popov's case officer, 59
SR/CI/A Stephan Roll
Louise Lyon Kay Grady B. Stacy Stephan Roll Bill Bright
SR/CI/RED 62 SR/CE SR/6/Stacy 60 C/SR/CI/RED SR/CE/P 60 (Newman, 493)
SR/CI/RED/WCB (WCB are Bright's initials)
SR/CI/A June 63
Domestic Contacts Division
Howard Hunt, Chief of Domestic Contacts Division
(Morley, p. 163)
Reports Office, 1944
E.S. Ashcraft - Chief of Domestic Contacts Division Robert Crowley - C, Operational Support Branch/CI
1953 Domestic Contacts, Support, 1959
Chief, Contact Division, OO, 1962 -1962
Anthony (Tony) Czajkowski, 1953
1953, OO/C - contact for Matlack George S. Musulin 1962-1970
1963 - Domestic Exploitation unit/task force within SAS
1963 worked with Matlack of ACSI - domestic exploitation
1967, with Travis
R.S. Travis aka Bob Travis
CD/DO 1960
OO/CD 1963
1964
1964, CD/DO case, Support Branch
1964, Support Branch, Contact Division - OO
67 with Czajkowski
James Balog - New York office, 1963
Lloyd A. Ray - New Orleans field office 67
(William Gaudet - source of New Orleans office
between 1948 to at least 1961)
J. Walton Moore - 50s - 1977 - Dallas field office
(George de Mohrenschildt - source of Dallas office
between the 1950s to 1963)
C/PW Seymour Bolten/Trouchard (62-63) (64 - SAS/SO/SB)
C/PW George Joannides/Newby (63-64)
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Special Affairs Staff (formerly Task Force W)
William Harvey, chief, 62 (TFW)
Desmond Fitzgerald, chief, 63-67 (SAS)
Victor Wallen C/TFW/CI 62
Hal Swenson, C/SAS/CI 63-65
C/SAS/CI/OPS, the originator of the 9/10/63 memo about recruiting Azcue. Sforza was at TFW in 62,
SAS/FI and AMOT c/o in 63
AA Maloney C/SAS/MOB 63 Edward Marelius, C/SAS/EOB 62-63
John Tilton DC/SAS/MOB 63 DC/SAS/EOB ? (Brings Victor Vicente to Cuba)
Paul Maggio C/SAS/MOB/FI 63
C/WH/SA/MOB/FI. 64
SAS/CI Nestor Sanchez
SAS/SO Henry Hecksher
(high level, Ult Sac 39) aka Henry Boysen
Ops Officer - Deputy COS - August 61
Frederick Inghurst - deputy COS (re Joannides personnel file) - field contracting officer
Austin Horn, SAS/CI liaison with FBI, 62
SAS/SO Charles Anderson III (SAS/CI L. Demos signs his routing slip on 10/8/63)
former phone tap expert in Mexico City
L. Demos, July 63 re Azcue
SAS/CE Anita Potocki 63
SAS/CI Tansing - supervisor to Barney Hidalgo (Blunt source)
SAS/CI Richard Tansing was "SAS 8"
may be OS related, does "facilitation", a SSD function (security support)
Other SAS/CI, or TFW/CI: Barney Hidalgo, Wilmer Kerbe, Vivian Petrowski, Lois Frederickson, Paul Maggio 62 Pauline Miller
JMWAVE
C/JMWAVE (Shackley)
Shackley's 2nd in command, exec officer, David Morales
Shackley's chief of operations
Here's the CIA flowchart for JMWAVE: COS and DCOS, w/secretaries and communicators
Branches: Support, Ops Branch of FI and Special Ops, CA Branch, External Ops Branch, Reports Section, Technical Services Section
AMOT Military Matters chief
C/JMWAVE/FI Frank Belsito,
Answers to Sforza, "AMOT case officer" 63 and FI
C/Miami field office, Justin Gleichauf
Cuban Operations Group
Paul Oberst COG/CA 63
Carl Trettin Deputy COG, CI 63
Margaret Forsyth, COG, 63
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Mexico City Station
Win Scott, Chief
Alan White, Deputy Chief David Phillips, Cuban ops Paul Manell, Soviet desk Anne Goodpasture, operations officer
Jeremy Niarcos/Tom Keenan true name
Robert Shaw Cuban Barbara Manell, " case officer
Arnold Arehart/Charles Flick true name
tapes technician/chief of intercept center
Bill Bright - transport of
tapes/transcripts/photos
Sept. 63
collected tapes/transcripts with Niarcos/Keenan
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Western Hemisphere
Chief, J. C. King
C/WH/OPS (William Hood) C/WH/R (pseudo L.N. Gallary)
WH/3 Central America WH/4 Cuba Mexico City Station Paul Oberst WH/C/CA (covert action chief 61)
John Whitten Jake Esterline Win Scott chief
David Phillips 63
C/WH/3 C/WH/4/CI (A.C. Davies) 63 CI capacity C/WH/CA
WH/4/CI Jean Pierson 61 Biggest Staff D station
WH/3/Mexico C/WH/4/Prop (D. Phillips) 61
Charlotte Bustos
Margaret Forsyth 61 WH/4/PA-PROP
John Tilton 62 WH/4/PA-PROP
Joseph Langan, C/WH/4/Security
William E. Eisemann, C/WH/4/Support
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Alan, thanks for posting this. And obviously a further enormous thanks to Bill Simpich for his work.
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^ You're welcome, Leslie. Bill has made a major contribution with SS.
Thanks for being here.
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State Secret timeline...
November 1962 – Harvey is told that he is being transferred from Cuban operations
January 1963 – Harvey suggests trying to recruit Cuban consul Eusebio Azcue
July – SAS chief Des FitzGerald is extremely interested in recruiting Azcue
August – Mexico City chief Win Scott agrees to try to recruit Azcue
September 10 - FBI agent Hosty reports Oswald has FPCC card and subscribes to CPUSA newspaper
September 13 – Scott suggests using two agents in a compartmented 1-2 punch
September 16 – SAS officer Tilton suggests deceptive op to embarrass the FPCC
September 17 – Oswald receives a visa to go to Mexico City for fifteen days
September 19 – Azcue recruitment fails – “let’s wait for further developments”
September 23 – Lechuga and Attwood discuss Castro-JFK rapproachment
September 25 - Harvey's pal Will Potocki receives Hosty's Sept 10 memo about Oswald
September 26 – Anderson: Fabricated evidence OK, if not initiated by CIA
September 27 – Oswald shows FPCC and CPUSA cards during 3 visits to Cuban consulate
September 28 – Call from Duran and Oswald at Cuban consulate to Soviet consulate
September 30 – David Phillips leaves for CIA HQ in DC
October 1 – Oswald identifies self by name in call to Soviet consulate
October 1 or 2 – Tarasoff identifies “Lee Oswald” as caller on the 28th and 1st
October 2 – Actual date of visit by “mystery man” to Soviet consulate, not Oct 1
Early October – Three CIA memos express concern that FBI/MC is penetrated
October 8 – Goodpasture dictates a memo linking Oct 1 call to Mystery Man
October 9 – Gheesling & Anderson take Oswald off the FBI security watchlist
October 10 – CIA HQ conducts molehunt aimed at SAS/JMWAVE, FBI, Mexico City
Mid-October - Goodpasture claims this is when Tarasoff linked the two calls
November 22 - CI/SIG chief says only CIA information on Oswald comes from FBI and State
November 23 - FBI Dallas agents say that the tape of Oswald doesn't match his voice
November 23 - Hoover tells LBJ that there were two different men in Mexico City