I believed that this board was supposed to be dedicated to a detailed reading of Sherry's book but it all seems to have gone very quiet. I would have thought that a discussion and/or rebuttal of the points raised by Mantik would be very germane to our search for the truth.
Thank you echelon, you are correct, this is just the type of challenge needed but to have a proper discussion one would be best prepared after reading the book. It was Alan's intent that a group discussion would include folks who have done so. To understand that decades of lab trials replicating ballistic skull wounds have proven beyond hypothesis that a skull moves toward the entering bullet debunks the crux of Mantic's 2 headshot scenario.
I can't add much at the moment to the last 2 posts which I am in agreement with. One key word, however, from Phil"s post is semantics. Mantic (wow, his name is even in the word!) gets us mired in it on a long walk through the forrest, which I would love to view more clearly, but all of those damn trees are in the way. I'm looking forward to Sherry's take on the review ...... she always welcomes the challenge and is quite formidable.
Sorry, but I just can't get away from quoting Mitch here also because when you get down to the back and forth you just can't ignore that:
"facts are stubborn things"
I can appreciate that time is finite and the demands of existence reduce our panoply to tunnel vision.
I enjoyed Sherry's book and have found this Year of the South Knoll to be synchronizing. I don't think it's accident that Anthony DeFiore's Z-225 throat shot analysis appears at this time. I just posted an exerpt of Richard Dudman's November 30, 1963-datelined article published December 1, 1963 in the Saint Louis Post Dispatch describing the hole in the windshield he saw "with another man" at Parkland. (see footnote)
Talking to a shooter last night, a man with many guns, who had said Oswald was the only one in position to make the shot, I asked him, "Do you have a gun which can throw a bullet in a you-ee, make a U-turn and come back one-eighty, because there were two small holes in Kennedy, one in his right temple which exited his right occipito-parietal, a wound seen by eighty-one per Robert Groden, and one in his throat, in front, above the tie "(which had Elmer Moore on the phone to Perry all Friday night, and Specter and Dulles administering a proctological exam--all which made the doctor confide, "I was afraid they were going to kill me")
So is Mantik useful--when I told our radiologist in 2003 of his work at the Archives on the AP and lateral skull X-rays using radiodensitometry to prove forgery she said, "I knew there was more to it than we were told."
First we look at Alan's Cancellare from Robin Unger at 14 above with attention to the cars in the lot. Then at the aerial photo below, and there's a car in the corner of the lot, showing where one could've been, as well as anywhere along the fence, all giving elevation, the azimuth gettting juicier toward the overpass:
(http://oi42.tinypic.com/ofd9o3.jpg)
And that day in Paris a representative of William K Harvey was giving Rolando Cubela a CIA technical services pen with poison to kill Castro; the Mongoose as plausible denial, pointing at Castro, when Helms set Harvey to have Maheu get Roselli who begot Giancana, Nicoletti, and so on and so forth--but to get Castro, you understand--and, of course, it's the Mob, you see
She's got the mass moving at no more than 11 mph toward the shooter; and perhaps a NATO round--for Cubela asked Harvey for a silenced scoped FAL, to get Castro, you understand, and even though this military weapon could easily fire at Z-225 and Z-313 (if we accept 18 fps), it was for Castro
A small hole in the right temple, and the head moves ITEK two inches forward (or maybe everybody did when the stop which didn't occur, occurred) due to kinetic transfer--and we see the backspatter appear and disappear in milliseconds which we wouldn't know it does until 1982
Everyone runs for fence and for the intersection of the fence and the overpass balustrade at the North because of the shots and the commotion and the smoke and the smell of gunpowder reported by Senator Yarborough and Dave Powers and Larry O'Donnell
Harvey had written on the ZR-RIFLE program. Hunt had his son put Soutre (or someone using his name) on page 123 of Bond of Secrecy, the deathbed deflection from CIA to LBJ; WerBell was producing suppressors for CIA and military, later to become SIONICS, Inc. and between Harvey and WerBell the secret teams of CIA and military specialists were developed
Other shooter (teams) were synched up with perhaps a Collins cryptic radio communications net with (Gordon Novel per Richard Sprague to Louis Stokes in the Appendix of The Taking of America 1-2-3) Umbrella Man pumping and Walkie Talkie man holding up his fist in the military halt signal
And Greer, sitting in for the recently heart-attacked driver Thomas Shipman, dutifully halted (or dramatically slowed, or, simply braked--"I'm so sorry, Mrs. Kennedy," he explained lamely)
While attention was focused on the fake Secret Service agents behind the fence (one of whom Webermann and Canfield may have got Seymour Weitzman to identify as Bernard Barker) then on the carton fort in the sixth floor East, the precursor to the Beltway Snipers drove away in their Chevy with the trunk lid shooting port
This is not an ad hoc, impromptu, event; LBJ announced JFK would lunch in Dallas in the Fall on April 23. The Thomas dinner in Houston Thursday the 21st insured the party would overnight in that city and fly to Love Field for a motorcade to the Trade Mart the next day
Ruth Paine put Oswald in the Depository, after he was handed off by DeMohrenschildt (wife former partner to Zapruder). One researcher posits shots from the Dal-Tex, and surely that source explains the Tague ricochet better than any other
Was Braden in that building that day? Was Ruby there that week? Were others there--Roselli known at JM WAVE as a "colonel" and used for deniability (Blakey's obedient "mob did it" limited hangout) or was Nicoletti there--for Nicoletti and DeMohrenschildt were murdered March 29, 1977--just after Stansfield Turner replaced GHWBush as DCI
The trajectory might extend to David Rockefeller of Chase who was a major opponent of JFK's comptroller of currency William Saxon, not to mention the EO 11110, the refusal to open up Southeast Asia to resource exploitation (including heroin)
But the mechanic was there on the South Knoll; the sponsor is invisible (always) and the facilitators may chiefly include the Dulles and Angletons et al of the CIA: Sword and Shield of the Cabal, as well as Hoover and Johnson Guess Who Came To Dinner obfuscators
Mantik is also useful in having revealed the wound area appears flat when the back of head is viewed using stereo pairs at the National Archive at College Park
Do I care enough about semantics to expend hundreds of words to quibble--
In the middle of the Century of the Fed, between the conspiracy-clouded birth on Jekyll Island to the blowback to the CIA gunrunning through the Benghazi operation we are in the stranglehold of a dark elite of amoral powerborgs
You say tomato; I say tomato.
Sherry says it as it is, regarding the source of the shot heard round the Century. A Thomas Noguchi for the murder of the 35th president.
Footnote:
Dudman article:
Richard Dudman's article in the Saint Louis Post Dispatch datelined November 30, 1963, published December 1, 1963, also notes the hole in the windshield, observed by the reporter and a colleague at Parkland:
Another unexplained circumstance is a small hole in the windshield of the presidential limousine. This correspondent and one other man saw the hole, which resembled a bullet hole, as the automobile stood at the hospital emergency entrance while the President was being treated inside the building.
The Secret Service kept possession of the automobile and flew it back to Washington. A spokesman for the agency rejected a request to inspect the vehicle here. He declined to discuss any hole there might be in the windshield.
I have a pdf of the clipping, and Word Document of the transcript for anyone wishing to obtain the source for the above quote.