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Oswald in TSBD Doorway - Dougherty the TSBD Sniper?
Redfern:
Has anyone been reading the 'Prayer Man' thread on the Education Forum?
What started as an examination of an indistinct figure caught in the Weigman and Darnell films has developed into a full-blown attack on the Warren narrative by Sean Murphy.
Sean argues that Oswald was in the doorway and then moved to a storage room, not far from the main entrance. The storage room element has been proposed by several researchers in recent years as well as the view that the second-floor lunchroom encounter being a fabrication required to nail Oswald.
However, most noteably, he says that the encounter between Baker and the man on the stairs on the 3rd or 4th floor never happened and the description matched that broadcast by police of the suspected assassin almost exactly. The 'light brown jacket' was added in line with what was thought to be the murderer's attire at the Tippit shooting.
Sean also alleges that Baker and Truly came up stairs to the second floor at the TSBD entrance and not by those at the rear. This could explain the failure of Vickie Adams to see Baker and Truly - she saw only Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor.
The latter two ran quickly around the TSBD to enter at the rear. Why? Adams' allegation means they lied about their movements.
Sean Murphy thinks that Baker and Truly then ascended by an elevator and not the stairs.
He's come up with some brilliant thinking, although the figure on the 3rd/4th floor stairs may have been Jack Dougherty and not a phantom - Baker would then have given a false description. Of course, Oswald was in the very same room in the City Hall when Baker was writing his affidavit but he failed to mention him as the man he saw.
One issue that's always concerned me is that Dougherty is all too readily dismissed as an assassin and viewed as someone who was only capable of helping a sniper escape.
Arnold Rowland's statements and testimony strike me as posing a problem for the 'assassin was an outsider' theory. Why would an assassin be happy to share the 6th floor with Bonnie Ray Williams and at least one other person - in all probability TSBD employees - only a few minutes before the motorcade arrived?
I suspect the figure caught on the Alyea film on the 6th floor during the police search was Jack Dougherty. He was wearing what seemed to be a white or light-coloured shirt or T-shirt, in line with descriptions given by witnesses of the assassin's clothing.
Dougherty was the only white man known to be on the upper floors of the TSBD during the relevant time-frame. He fully admitted this.
I suspect that the man in the brown suit seen by Carolyn Walther standing beside the sniper was either Truly or Shelley.
Was the assassination (the TSBD component at least) an inside job and the truth has been hidden in full view for 50 years?
TLR:
Is this the photo?
http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/08/oswald-leaving-tsbd.html
I don't know how anyone could "identify" a person from that. I can believe that Baker and Truly lied about encountering Oswald, though. Unfortunately we have no photo of Jack Dougherty. I really think that no shots were actually fired from the TSBD and the place was just a decoy location.
Redfern:
There is a much clearer version of the photograph available on the Education Forum ... see recent posts.
The identification of Oswald does not depend exclusively on the frame from the film. It mainly relies on statements and comments - the film evidence is support. If the figure was not Oswald, then who among the TSBD employees was it?
The acoustics study found three shots were fired from the sixth floor. This was accurate to within two feet or so.
Numerous onlookers also heard a shot fired from the sixth floor.
We have no photographs of Dougherty but there are grounds for believing he shows up in Alyea,
TLR:
IMO, the acoustics evidence is a mess and I've never put much stock in it.
Do you have a link to the page with the better photo?
echelon:
--- Quote from: TLR on September 07, 2013, 09:08:09 AM ---Is this the photo?
http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/08/oswald-leaving-tsbd.html
I don't know how anyone could "identify" a person from that. I can believe that Baker and Truly lied about encountering Oswald, though.
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This particular EF thread has been one of the most interesting I have read for many years. I really do believe that they may be on to something, and that the so-called "Prayer Man" may indeed to turn out to be Oswald.
I don't want to re-hash all the same old arguments here as they can (and should) be read over there. I would just like to draw attention to the alleged evidence that (a) Prayer Man was a TSBD employee and (b) most, if not all, of the other TSBD employees can be ruled out. See in particular posts 195 and 213.
Thus, by a process of elimination, who else can it be?
--- Quote from: TLR on September 07, 2013, 08:13:07 PM ---IMO, the acoustics evidence is a mess and I've never put much stock in it.
Do you have a link to the page with the better photo?
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I tend to agree with you about the acoustic evidence.
Robin Unger has better quality frames from the Darnell movie, which shows Prayer Man, here:
http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/thumbnails.php?album=19&page=2
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